# When a language's creator and its owners strongly disagree \[pdf\]

- HackerByte page: <https://hackerbyte.net/en/stories/herb-sutter-a-prominent-figure-in-c-discusses-disagreements-between-a-programmin-50418818>
- Original source: <https://isocpp.org/files/papers/P4454R0.pdf>
- Hacker News discussion: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50418818>
- Submitted to Hacker News: 2026-11-08T23:28:01.000Z

Herb Sutter, a prominent figure in C\+\+, discusses disagreements between a programming language's creator and its governing organization.

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